What the Dead Say About Suicide
A Suicide Prevented?
Posted on 15 December 2014, 10:00 by Michael Tymn on the White Crow Website
Michael Tymn is the author of The Afterlife Revealed: What Happens After We Die , published by White Crow Books. His book, Resurrecting Leonora Piper: How Science Discovered the Afterlife is now available on Amazon and other online book stores.
His latest book, Dead Men Talking: Afterlife Communication from World War I , is published by White Crow Books. It is a wonderful read!
A Suicide Prevented?
Suicide is one subject on which spirit messages coming through various mediums all seem to agree. While there are some conflicting messages relative to suicide by terminally-ill people, the messages overwhelmingly condemn conventional suicide. They strongly suggest that the individual who hopes to escape from his or her problems here in the material world does not do so. That does not mean that the person finds himself in “hell,” as some religions teach, or even experiences a “fire of the mind.” Much seems to depend on the motivation, the degree of despair, and the overall mental state of the individual at the time he or she attempted the escape from this world. The important point is that nothing is gained by the suicide and it may even set the person behind in his or her spiritual evolution.
One such message was communicated through the trance mediumship of Gladys Osborne Leonard by Claude Kelway-Bamber, (below) a British pilot killed during World War I. Claude told his mother that nothing can kill the soul. “You see, therefore, a suicide, far from escaping trouble, only goes from one form of misery to another; he cannot annihilate himself and pass to nothingness,” Claude said. He further stated:
“I know now the whole mistake lies in looking upon death as the end of ‘activity,’ with a renewal at some indefinite date, whereas as a matter of fact it is an incident only, though a very important one, in a continuous life. Your feelings, your memory, your love, your interests and ambitions remain; all you have left behind, and even that which one cannot at first realize, is the physical body, which proves to be merely the covering of the spiritual to enable it to function in a material world. Man truly is a spirit and has a body, not vice versa.
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“I have told you that I, in common with hundreds of other men here, go down to the battlefields to help to bring away the souls of those who are passing out of their bodies. We are united for the work, having ourselves endured the horrors of war. Spirits unused to it cannot bear the terrible sights and sounds. We bring them away so that they may return to consciousness far from their mutilated physical bodies, and oh, Mum, I feel quite tired sometimes of explaining to men that they are ‘dead’! They wake up feeling so much the same; some go about for days, and even months, believing they are dreaming.
“Death works no miracle, and you wake up here the same personality exactly that left the earth-plane. Your individuality is intact, and your ‘spirit body’ a replica of the one you have left, down to small details – even deformities remain, though, I am told they lessen and disappear in time.
“People with narrow, set, and orthodox beliefs are puzzled by the reality, the ‘ordinaryliness,’ if I may coin a word, of the spirit world. If it were described to them as ‘flashes of light,’ ‘mauve and sapphire clouds,’ ‘golden rivers,’ etc., it would more readily approximate with their preconceived ideas. They require ‘mystery’ about the future life. I often laugh when I hear them complain they can’t believe in ‘solid’ things like houses, and gardens in the spirit-world…
“The first time I was sent down to help our enemies I objected but was told to remember they were fighting for what they believed to be right and in defence of their country, too. I saw rather an interesting meeting between an Englishman and a German who had killed each other. They met face to face and looked at each other steadily. The Englishman held out his hand. His erstwhile enemy, taking it, said, ‘What d—- fools we have been!’”
At another sitting, Claude had this to say:
“I have often heard people ask why God permits wickedness. If it were impossible for man to sin, he would no longer be a free agent but an automation. As man is on earth to learn his lesson and develop his soul, he must have his mettle proved. There would be no good without evil. Contrasts exist and are necessary; just as day and night, wet and fine, heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are only realized and appreciated through their opposites.”
That communication was set forth in Chapter Three of my most recent book, Dead Men Talking. In Chapter Two, another fallen World War I warrior, Bob Boylan, in communicating with his mother via the automatic writing form of mediumship, also mentioned suicide. He said, in part:
“Warn all with whom you talk against suicide. I do not gather from what I hear that curses afflict any poor soul that makes that mistake. But the self-inflicted death disarranges and delays the plans that are being shaped for the individual. Every detail of life is worked out with a thoroughness only possible in spiritual geometry. A sudden break necessitates rebuilding the whole theory. It may require skill for you to tell what you have to tell and yet restrain broken-hearted ones from throwing themselves across the invisible line. Of course, they want to rejoin their darlings. But that will be later.”
According to Jane Katra, Ph.D., (below) those messages, or at least one of them, may have prevented a suicide a hundred years after they were communicated. Jane was one of several people who were to receive a review copy of Dead Men Talking. Just before the book was released during July, I informed Jane that White Crow Books, the publisher, would be sending her an advance copy. “While I was anxiously awaiting for my copy of the book to arrive in my Eugene, Oregon post office box, I received a message on my answering machine from my friend in Durham, North Carolina thanking me for sending her a book,” Jane picks up the story. “I called her back to tell her that I hadn’t sent her any book, and she promptly responded, ‘Why, of course you did! Your name was on the label!’ She then told me that she’d opened the book and read on the first page (to which she had opened the book) about how ‘Suicide doesn’t help at all’ because ‘The character we form here, we take with us, we cannot get away from it.’ She knew at once that she was to make a phone call and read that passage to her friend who had told her that she was planning to kill herself. The book’s messages from the dead prevented the woman’s suicide. All three of us believe that the book was mysteriously sent to North Carolina to save a life!”
Jane later determined that when she was attending a conference of the International Association for Near-Death Studies in North Carolina some years earlier, she had asked White Crow Books to send her a supply of a book she had co-authored with Russell Targ,The Heart of the Mind, to be sold at the conference. To avoid shipping the books from her home in Oregon to the conference in North Carolina, she asked that White Crow mail them to her in care of her friend in Durham. The Durham address went into the White Crow computer as Jane’s and that is how Dead Men Talking found its way to the friend’s house.
Coincidence? Possibly. Spirit-directed synchronicity? You be the judge.
An interesting You-Tube talk on suicide by Dr. Carla Wills-Brandon can be found at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi33RXRWFLk
Julia
2015-10-04 @ 11:30 AM
Carlos, I agree with everything you’ve written except one point. Many of us who work professionally have worked directly with people who committed suicide. I am one of them. And I will say, that for the most part, they really regret doing it. Other than that, you are right–expectation plays the biggest role in what happens.
Dave Montague
2015-10-14 @ 11:07 PM
The overall tone of the posts above suggest people are making conscious decisions to commit suicide. I want to be clear, people who commit suicide are beyond a pain threshold none of us could even imagine. To even assume that someone is going to commit suicide much like taking a trip, is beyond ludicrous. Dr Michael Newton has a very book on the afterlife and I have really come to subscribe to his findings. I believe he has reset the foundational construct from which I previously viewed the afterlife. Losing my Son has forced me to really look for the answers out of my deepest concern for his whereabouts.
Julia
2015-10-15 @ 10:41 AM
Although many people do make a conscious decision, others commit suicide spontaneously, or “by accident,” as is the case with many drug overdoses. Frequently, especially with young men, they don’t know what the real reasons were for doing it, at least not immediately. I’m sorry to say that Newton’s version of the afterlife is extremely flawed and would only apply to a certain mindset among Americans.
Dave Montague
2015-10-15 @ 2:35 PM
Julia,
You said:
“I’m sorry to say that Newton’s version of the afterlife is extremely flawed and would only apply to a certain mindset among Americans.”
Newton’s versions were stories from people who related their experiences to him through past life regression therapy… as you already know. I am not sure how it could be “extremely” flawed. I have watched over 1000 near death experience videos on youtube and for the most part, these experiences have much in common with what Newton has written. Newtons experiences, in my opinion, were written in English so that might be their only appeal to Americans. I have a split belief that when people leave this earth they travel far away. People, in almost every case, are drawn through a tunnel and leave this physical domain. I know in your experience you claim to be able to channel these energies beyond the grave. What if that’s what you have created because that is what you believe? I am beginning to think our experiences are tied to what we believe and the fact we have some “global order” is because we live in a shared consensus reality. All of us have agreed on this reality. I have come to believe that this life is simply a evolutionary path and the purpose is to survive… if we can do that peacefully then great. I see no reason for coming here to earth for 80 years and walking away with valuable eternal lessons. I think of the over one million women and children slaughtered in the Congo and ask myself; what’s their lesson?
I was better off in the box of religion “ignorance is bliss”. But my perspective now is vastly different and I am at a point where I question everything.
Julia
2015-11-24 @ 2:59 PM
Dear Dave, First, forgive me for not answering you sooner. Our purpose is not to survive. That’s an old Darwinian idea or, worse, Neo-Darwinian materialism speaking. Our purpose is to experience and create, to fulfill ourselves in the deepest sense. About Newton, he hypnotizes his subjects and then he leads them into experiences that he telepathically or verbally manipulates. I know how easy it is to do that because I work with people constantly in regression/past-life therapy. I want to mention too that the famed tunnel experience is very rare and has not been attested in the few studies from other countries, such as India. What is promoted as a Near-Death Experience is always the positive sort, and even they have been so standardized they can no longer be believed. Many NDEs are negative, even horrifying. They say very little about the so-called afterlife but much more about a person’s state of mind or deepest fears or deepest hopes. Still they do convey the magic of nonlocal realities. I am certain by now that the “Being of Light”–a being whose appearance is also quite rare in the overall picture of NDEs, is in fact our oversoul.
Lastly, I want to impress on you that there is no one way a person goes after death. Each person is different, each surprising, even for suicides. It is this element of surprise, of the unexpected, that makes me certain communication is genuine. Otherwise, it would have the predictability of false models, such as Newton’s.
Julia
Wilma James
2016-04-09 @ 11:57 PM
This article was very disturbing and made my stomach churn. It seems like the typical judgemental negative societal script about suicide. I find it hurtful wrong and offensive. I was going to subscribe to this site but no longer will do so.
Julia
2016-05-10 @ 9:13 PM
Dear Wilma, There is no subscription to this site! And I cannot change what the dead say about suicide. I’ve worked with so very many people–mostly young men–after their suicides and they are almost always miserable after death or in shock at the violence they have done to themselves. Many of them don’t have any clear idea of why they did it.
In my book I write about our society’s attitude toward suicide and do know how different it can be in other societies (Japan, ancient Rome, etc). There are also situations where suicide is a “positive step”. But mostly suicide is a poor solution to life’s temporary problems. Crossing over in such a hopeless state of mind doesn’t help either.
Yours,
Julia
Maggie miller
2016-05-10 @ 2:09 AM
I just lost my son 4 weeks ago to suicide he was 13. He did it impulsively. I started questioning my faith a couple years ago the bible scared me. Now I’m reading stuff about reincarnation and that scares me. I talked to a medium she said he crossed over. But I’m not completely sure if all the things she said she didn’t find on Facebook and news paper. I think I need like a specific question that only he would know. I just don’t know where he’s at or what to believe
Julia
2016-05-10 @ 8:55 PM
Maggie, I’m so sorry. You must be in agony. Your best bet really is contacting your son yourself. I give how-to tips on my homepage (at the bottom of the page) and more extensively in my book. Direct contact is much better than going through a medium. In fact, I work with people all over the world as a medium but with the aim that they have the experience. Alternatively, you can go to an Induced After-death Communication Therapist, a person trained for you to make direct contact as well. We live in an age where doing something is possible!
Try working on your own. Let me know what happens.
Again, I am so so sorry for your pain.
Julia