Raymond Moody on Robin Williams and Suicide
It is astounding to me the uproar Robin Williams’ suicide has caused, not only in the US but also in Europe. What I could pick up from Williams using remote viewing was his profound fascination with his immediate after-death experience. This high was later followed by regret for ending his life prematurely. When we know what awaits us, when we realize that the nonlocal reality we are heading for is permanent, eternal, absorbing, rushing toward it through suicide no longer makes sense. Williams soon realized that. So have all those who committed suicide but returned after having a near-death experience. They never attempt suicide again. They know the afterlife can wait. They also know that our reasons for committing suicide are, from the vast perspective of the afterlife state, unimportant and even petty. We hypnotize ourselves into believing we cannot change things, we cannot change the self-hatred, the deep sense of isolation and failure. But once out of the body, we quickly realize that the beliefs we labored under are just that, beliefs. And beliefs can be changed.
The short video below was inspired by Williams’ death. In it, Raymond Moody, the author who first popularized near-death experiences, speaks briefly about the phenomenon of suicide. He attributes suicide to mental disturbance. Actually, mental disturbance is often a strong factor, but not always. If we consider the group with the highest suicide rate, young males between the ages of 18 and 23, we cannot assume that all of them suffer from the same type of mental disturbance. We should assume, however, that young men have a particular set of difficulties with our cultural values and expectations around what it means to be a man, difficulties that are so severe that young males are unwilling to enter into the maturation process toward manhood. Social factors rather than mental disturbance are the tipping point. At the other extreme, some commit suicide with a definite purpose in mind and are thrilled to be “dead.” There is no general rule for what happens after suicide. The question can only be answered case by case.
httpv://youtu.be/_6enlQkcgiw
Rob
2014-09-06 @ 5:03 AM
I’ll admit to ignorance prior to commenting here. Forgive me that transgression.
Previously, I believe you mentioned that William Buhlman’s OOB experiences were not necessarily a glimpse of the afterlife. Yet remote viewing could offer a glimpse of this realm. Where is the delineation between the two?
Julia
2014-09-06 @ 12:01 PM
Actually, these are two very different issues. Remote viewing, theoretically, has no bounds. Therefore remote viewing the ambiance of the dead, which is well within our reach, is quite simple. The question is, rather, what constitutes the “afterlife.” Is it a dimension where only the dead go (including animals)? Or is it interdimensional? From all that I know now, and the literature on out-of-body experiences support this, what we mistakenly call the afterlife is a nonlocal reality of unlimited dimensions and type. For instance, I know people who have passed and who operate in realms that are purely electrical or mathematical or musical. Although these could be called afterlives, they are in fact different dimensions of a deeper reality. Furthermore, the afterlife is composed of more than earthlings. For people to claim that they are in the afterlife (with little or no real reason to believe so), it comes down to what we mean by the afterlife. If we could stop using that term and instead use a term that includes much broader dimensions, including dimensions of beings who are not human, then we come closer to what real happens without material bodies.
Rob
2014-09-06 @ 4:40 PM
Interesting. Thank you for the reply. I am trying to edify myself on these concepts, though they’re difficult to wrap your mind around.
Joane
2014-09-12 @ 11:29 PM
“What I could pick up from Williams using remote viewing was his profound fascination with his immediate after-death experience. This high was later followed by regret for ending his life prematurely. When we know what awaits us, when we realize that the nonlocal reality we are heading for is permanent, eternal, absorbing, rushing toward it through suicide no longer makes sense. Williams soon realized that. So have all those who committed suicide but returned after having a near-death experience. They never attempt suicide again. They know the afterlife can wait. They also know that our reasons for committing suicide are, from the vast perspective of the afterlife state, unimportant and even petty. We hypnotize ourselves into believing we cannot change things, we cannot change the self-hatred, the deep sense of isolation and failure. But once out of the body, we quickly realize that the beliefs we labored under are just that, beliefs. And beliefs can be changed.”
Hi, Julia…
Just stumbled upon this site. A lot of information here, and I’m looking forward to going through it and learning more. Thank you for providing it. 🙂
I would like to know more about what Robin is going through in Spirit, if possible… I loved him so much and worry about whether he is going to be alright. I know people talk about suicides being in Hell, etc..and I’ve never believed that..but I would still like to know how he’s doing. I pray that he can get through to his family and let them know he’s okay. It’s such an awful thing for both the victim and survivors. I lost my father to suicide and suffer badly from depression, so I know.
Anyway…while I understand what’s being said here about the Afterlife being able to “wait”..and how our reasons for killing ourselves are “petty” in the grand scheme of things, what these statements fail to take into account is the MAJOR influence of the Ego while in a body. Everyday we have to fight this internal enemy..this part of ourselves that has the power to make us feel less than whole. It’s only when we transition that we’re, apparently, able to shed the Ego..and see things (and ourselves) for what they truly are..but this “reality” doesn’t help us while in body, does it? I imagine if you’re able to reconnect with the Spirit that is you, that that would be quite helpful..but sadly, not everyone has the power or resources to do so. I’ve tried, through meditation, to find peace..but it’s been extremely difficult. Meanwhile, I have friends who can meditate (and meet and communicate with Spirits while doing so), and have astral traveled..but no amount of books or reading on the subject helps me. Methinks, some people are simply more gifted than others in that area..yet, I know we ALL have the gift..and that truth makes it even more frustrating when you can’t experience what others have.
Julia
2014-09-13 @ 12:53 PM
Joane, you’ve said a lot of really good things here, so thanks for your contribution. I just want to add though the the ego survives death. No part of us ever dies.
Joane
2014-09-13 @ 5:38 PM
Thank you, Julia. And you’re right..you reminded me of how the ego DOES survive death (I should know because, to be honest, I’m in contact with a spirit through a conduit and, yes, he very much has his own personality!). What I SHOULD have said is that in spirit you’re not GOVERNED by your ego. In body, you ARE.
Julia
2014-09-14 @ 8:51 AM
Exactly!
Julia
2015-04-08 @ 6:50 PM
Hi Marie, I am dying to know what everybody talks about. I am saddened that you had a bad experience with a medium. Too many people are claiming to be mediums without making the effort to really do it well. It also takes experience. About pain though, why not learn self-hypnosis. I am sure there are clinics around that help in pain control using hypnosis. You can go even further with self-hypnosis. I knew a meditator once who had the most horrible dental work done without feeling a thing, using meditation and hypnosis techniques. I have not personally come across anyone who has committed suicide because of physical pain. But I have posted about a man who starved himself to death because he was heading into Alzheimer’s. He’s doing extraordinarily well on the other side.